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1 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Sep 24, 2011 12:50:27pm

> be warned, 400+ pages

Wow!

And thanks for posting this, Aminah!

2 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Sep 24, 2011 12:52:57pm

512 pages

3 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Sep 24, 2011 12:55:01pm

I see Dr. Hayward wrote an intro... That's gonna cause some fake controversy because of his past (he was a Holocaust denier many years ago, but recovered since).

4 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Sep 24, 2011 12:58:29pm

re: #3 Sergey Romanov

And since I mentioned it, it is only fair to link to his explanation: [Link: www.joelhayward.org...]

5 CuriousLurker  Sat, Sep 24, 2011 12:59:00pm

re: #1 Sergey Romanov

> be warned, 400+ pages

Wow!

And thanks for posting this, Aminah!

You're welcome, Nicolai. Er...I mean Sergey! ;o) (It's an inside joke, his real name isn't Nicolai.)

Heh, yeah, a real fatwa is a serious thing that requires a lot of "daleel" or proofs from Islamic sources. It's not something some jihadi can simply decide he's going to issue in a 5-minute speech or via a flyer printed in his basement.

6 CuriousLurker  Sat, Sep 24, 2011 1:01:21pm

re: #3 Sergey Romanov

I see Dr. Hayward wrote an intro... That's gonna cause some fake controversy because of his past (he was a Holocaust denier many years ago, but recovered since).

re: #4 Sergey Romanov

And since I mentioned it, it is only fair to link to his explanation: [Link: www.joelhayward.org...]

Thanks for that. I wasn't familiar with Dr. Hayward, so it's good to know his background, and I'm glad to see he's recovered.

7 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Sep 24, 2011 1:05:07pm

re: #6 CuriousLurker

There are several real-life examples of people who were deniers once upon a time but then fully recovered. The most famous example is Jean-Claude Pressac, who for a time was Faurisson's disciple, but then, when he worked a bit in the Auschwitz archives, he not only left the denial, but wrote several large technical volumes about Auschwitz gas chambers and crematoria that are among the standard Holocaust history works nowadays (though they're somewhat outdated by now since research doesn't stand in one place).

8 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Sep 24, 2011 1:07:31pm

re: #7 Sergey Romanov

BTW, I hope I didn't spoil the mood by bringing this up, but I think dealing with this issue upfront was important. The likes of Geller won't let it pass.

9 CuriousLurker  Sat, Sep 24, 2011 1:20:00pm

re: #7 Sergey Romanov

Wow, that's quite a recovery!

re: #8 Sergey Romanov

BTW, I hope I didn't spoil the mood by bringing this up, but I think dealing with this issue upfront was important. The likes of Geller won't let it pass.

No, not at all! I'm glad you said something so I can be prepared.

As a matter of fact, next time I post something like this I'll try to check with you first. That is, unless there's someone maintains a public list of known & recovered Holocaust deniers.

10 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Sep 24, 2011 1:23:32pm

re: #9 CuriousLurker

Heh. And the reason I mention Geller is because she recently wrote about Hayward ("Dean of RAF Pilot Training College is a Muslim Convert, Holocaust denier, Jihadist").

11 CuriousLurker  Sat, Sep 24, 2011 1:27:30pm

re: #10 Sergey Romanov

A classically Gelleresque statement, that one. LOL

12 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Sep 24, 2011 6:07:15pm

re: #5 CuriousLurker

You're welcome, Nicolai. Er...I mean Sergey! ;o) (It's an inside joke, his real name isn't Nicolai.)

Heh, yeah, a real fatwa is a serious thing that requires a lot of "daleel" or proofs from Islamic sources. It's not something some jihadi can simply decide he's going to issue in a 5-minute speech or via a flyer printed in his basement.

Bernard Lewis comments that as a result of the Salman Rushdie affair, most Westerners first heard the word 'fatwa' in a context that convinced them it was Arabic for 'take out a hit on'.

13 CuriousLurker  Sat, Sep 24, 2011 6:16:12pm

re: #12 SanFranciscoZionist

LOL, no doubt.

Apparently some Muslims are under the same impression. //


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